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The U.S. is becoming a police state
Posted: 29 December 2011 07:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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It’s being discussed because it’s a political topic. 

If people choose to believe that none of this stuff is happening—or that it doesn’t affect them—that’s their prerogative.

I’m not sure where else in life that type of response produces good results but….well people can choose that if they want to.

I, on the other hand, (along with most Americans, I think) would prefer to be aware of when things in our government change in a way that affect our personal freedoms.

In fact, I’d say it’s a responsibility.

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Posted: 01 January 2012 04:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Interesting discussion…..

Tony, not that I agree or disagree with you, but what would you have the Government do, in those areas that are guilty of bullying, or whatever you want to call it?  Would you have more training?  If so, by whom?  Would you get rid of the guilty policemen?  How would you determine if the act is illegal or not? 

Do you believe that the majority of the illegal actions by policemen are in the inner city, where crime is heavy?

I would imagine that being a policeman in large cities would be a very difficult occupation.  I also have to believe that more policemen are murdered doing their job, than citizens are killed by cops, when the citizen is doing nothing to provoke it.

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Posted: 01 January 2012 08:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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Hey VirginiaJoe,

I think it’s a fairly simple issue: 

1.  Educate the law-enforcement officers on what is and is not an overstepping of their authority.  I have to expect that a great many of these incidents are due to A.) the police officers being ignorant of what they are and are not allowed to do and B.) they allow emotion to get the better of them. 

(When the latter happens, they immediately drop from being a professional law-enforcement officer to a bully with a badge.)

2.  Have a zero-tolerance policy for police officers who commit crimes.  Immediate termination and criminal charges pressed against officers who use excessive force against suspects, especially when they’re already subdued.

Do you believe that the majority of the illegal actions by policemen are in the inner city, where crime is heavy?

What I believe is irrelevant and I haven’t seen any studies one way or another.  However, I’ve seen several videos of these incidents—not many because they’re very hard to watch—and it seems that there’s very little pattern. 

In some cases, it’s a traffic stop on an open high-way captured on the in-car video camera that shows a policeman using illegal force….in another case, it’s a policeman who’s angry and emotional because he sees someone filming him in a questionable act and uses his authority as a way of destroying that evidence.  In another case, a police officer actually walked onto a citizen’s property to accost him for filming police activity across the street.  In the case I cited above (Nick Christie), the illegal assault by police officers took place in the police station.

I’m sure someone more educated than I has more data that would allow them to spot a pattern.  But, from what I can tell, stupid, irresponsible cops are just as likely to live in a rural county as they are in a large city.

I would imagine that being a policeman in large cities would be a very difficult occupation.

I agree wholeheartedly.  And my hat is off to those who are doing it correctly and doing a good job of it.

I also have to believe that more policemen are murdered doing their job, than citizens are killed by cops, when the citizen is doing nothing to provoke it.

I think that’s obviously a very safe bet.  The average person doesn’t even come into personal contact with a police-officer in the course of their day-to-day life. 

But that reality doesn’t change the fact that—when unprofessional law-enforcement officers can commit crimes and brutality and hide behind their badge—then something has to be done about it. 

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Posted: 04 January 2012 12:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Jeff Foster - 29 December 2011 03:16 PM

You cannot tar every police officer with the same brush just because a FEW, and I emphasize the word FEW, police officers are bad. That is no different than someone saying that all Muslims are terrorists or that all Roman Catholic Priests are pedophiles because of the actions of a few. Sure, there are a few nuts out there that should not be in law enforcement but the vast majority of them are very good at what they do.

Also, I don’t believe the claim that these isolated incidents are increasing. I believe they are just publicized more now because we live in the information age where just about everyone has a cell phone and can either take pictures or video of what is happening.

A few bad apples does not mean the US is turning into a police state. What is does mean is that we need to get these nuts out of law enforcement.

Jeff I have a several family members and multiple friends who are police officers. I support our police but I do not support anyone being a bully.  It happens, it happens in good towns and it often happens because good people do nothing.

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Posted: 25 January 2012 05:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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Here’s the relevant part of this article that relates to our discussion:

“After being granted a certificate of innocence, Jimenez sued the city, accusing police of ignoring the evidence his attorneys presented them, showing that another man had confessed to the slaying he had been charged with. Though no physical evidence reportedly linked him to the crime, police allegedly coerced eyewitnesses into saying Jimenez had killed Eric Morro, 19.”

From another article at The State Journal Register:  “Officers coerced Morro’s friend and other eyewitnesses to identify him as the gunman. No physical evidence linked him to the crime. “

Amazing.  Here’s a young man (age 16) who has been living in jail for 16 years for a crime he didn’t commit…..all because some crooked cops coerced someone into lying for a conviction, probably to avoid their own irresponsibility.  They had ZERO physical evidence.

Glad to hear that he’s released…AND that he’s getting $25 MILLION in damages for what the city put him through.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/thaddeus-jimenez-wrongful_n_1230652.html?1327505188&ncid=webmail1

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Posted: 07 February 2012 09:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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Dee Ann hit the nail on the head:  “It happens, it happens in good towns and it often happens because good people do nothing.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxlL0I5AWLI

Don’t think it’s not happening.

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Posted: 28 February 2012 09:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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To date, there have been over 500 “deaths by taser” by police officers.

The 500th death occurred in my own hometown here a few weeks ago.  A man whose crime was “public intoxication” (a misdemeanor charge) was killed by a local deputy via taser.  He tasered the victim both before and AFTER he’d already been handcuffed and subdued.

Whoever said this stuff only happens in the big cities is apparently mistaken.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/316-20/10205-police-taser-death-toll-reaches-500-in-us

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Posted: 21 March 2012 06:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Tony, I never thought I would say this but I now agree with the subject line of this thread. What convinced me? President Obama’s recent executive order that gives him broad powers to nationalize industry and “draft” specialists into working for the government without compensation, and the recently enacted Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act which basically prohibits free speech near public officials.

Obama plans to stay in office whether he wins or loses the election and he now has the power to do it.

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Posted: 21 March 2012 07:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]  
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Sheesh!  I need to water my grapevine.  I’ve been out of the loop with news this week.  Thanks for the headsup, Jeff!

Tony

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Posted: 22 March 2012 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]  
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Jeff Foster - 21 March 2012 06:28 PM

Obama plans to stay in office whether he wins or loses the election and he now has the power to do it.

Really?  REALLY?!?!?!

Actually, this EO doesn’t give the President any more power than he already has (and that Congress has recognized), it’s just another amendment to the original EO 8248 from 1939.  It has been amended numerous times. 

This latest conspiracy theory even has a few of the conservative pundits coming out saying it’s (the EO) boilerplate.

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Posted: 23 March 2012 03:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]  
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It is definitely time for a Conspiracy Theory thread. cool smirk

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Posted: 23 March 2012 03:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]  
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kerrlaw - 23 March 2012 03:19 PM

It is definitely time for a Conspiracy Theory thread. cool smirk

Oh, that would be fun.  wink

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Posted: 20 April 2012 10:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]  
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Courts say that police did not use excessive force when they used a Taser on a pregnant woman for not signing a speeding ticket:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/pregnant_woman_tasered/

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